Aaron King (00:00):

Welcome back to the modern old school training podcast. I'm Erin King and joining me today is one of my good friends, Jordan Palmer coach V Lee 11, among many other things today. We're going to just be talking about a lot of what's been going on lately, which has been high profile the draft and do some heck of a week. Yeah. So just for context, let's talk about, I guess, QB summit and kind of what you're doing there, what the whole premise is. I mean, we got a lot of young developing athletes either through the podcast, through the training programs the app, and then of course tech stages football and various publications. So there's a lot of guys who didn't get a lot of value from what y'all do. Yeah, I think

Jordan Palmer (00:42):

You know, as I address guys who are in a stage of their career where they're trying to take a step, that's where I can be most helpful. There's a ton of people. I, I get a chance to work with some of the top high school, someone top college, and some of the top NFL quarterbacks. And for me it's, it's less about working with the best guys. It's more about trying to help guys take a step. So the three areas where I find myself most valuable is the three times when guys are really trying to move forward with their careers. The first one early on is guys who were trying to either become the starter in high school, whether that's entering into high school from middle school when they're a freshman or whatever, or they're trying to start just their senior year and just have a great senior year.

Jordan Palmer (01:25):

And that's it, they're not going to play after college. They want to start as a senior. The second time I can be really helpful is guys that are transitioning from high school to college. And then the third is when guys are transitioning from college to the NFL and the draft process. And so I just, as a coach, I would be crazy to think that I can help anybody. It'd be crazy to think that I can only help one person based on my experience. So for me, it's trying to position myself in the time when I can be most valuable to the person that I'm training. And so for me, it's that high school, that high school to college, and then that college to pro that, that kind of phase of their career is when I can be most purposeful with my time most valuable and the information that I've taken from other folks. And then I'm repurposing and giving to guys that's when it can create the most value.

Aaron King (02:12):

I think that's the cool thing about just coaching is the packaging is there's a book, a little small coffee table book that is really popular in the design community. It's called steal like an artist, and it's just basically taken all the best stuff and then repackaging it. And then the next generation takes the best stuff of that and then repackages it again. And we just get smarter and smarter as, you know, as you get more experienced. So if anyone has no clue what just happened in the draft, Jordan had three guys, three awesome quarterbacks in college, two of which went a one, three, and seven, three, and seven. So Sam Darnold went from USC to the jets, number three overall, and then Josh Allen seven to the bills. And I just, I had the opportunity to speak with John Brangus, us the other day about some of the real science behind these guys, but you got to get to know them on a personal level.

Aaron King (03:03):

And I think what's cool is that you, these are guys, you know, in high school and now top 10 picks. Yeah. So there's a, it's beyond just technique. It's, it's the personality, the quality of the guy, and so much more than, than if you're going to be investing as a franchise and a guy like that. You got to know that you're getting a good dude like can come in and lead this team. So can you touch a little bit of on what it takes to be from a personal standpoint? Like just a good quarterback?

Jordan Palmer (03:35):

Yeah. It's a, it's super hard. I mean, there's, there's some, you're talking about the most complex position in all of the sports. It has the most responsibility and I mean, I'll give you an example. Let's just put this in context. Okay. So an NFL quarterback is that on the field, it looks to the sideline and he's got a headset on and the coaches will at 15 seconds left on the shot clock. The coach cuts that off, right. Or the league cuts that off. So you only have until 15 seconds left and you may get a play call. That's eight sets to gun spread, right? H hot tool, China drive F read alert, Mustang, a drag on a white one. A lot of stuff happened in there. I didn't make that up. I can say it again. Each set to gun spread red H hot told, trying to drive every Diller, Mustang, dragon on a white one.

Jordan Palmer (04:20):

And so that's a lot of information that you have to take till 10 other people then get to Len scrimmage, then decipher what the coverage is. And depending on what I just said is two plays, which is really common. You know, it's a pass and a pass, but it's also based on pressure and allocation and what side it's coming from. So you have to decipher all that information. Odds are one of these idiots is going to be like, wait, what is it? And so you have to tell that person, and then 15 seconds cut off. And then you got Ben, you have to execute the play. And so this is a really complex sport. So for me, the secret sauce is simplifying the game into things like we only play the game two ways on platform, on the quarterbacks, in the pocket, or off-platform on the quarterbacks, moving around.

Jordan Palmer (05:05):

We only throw three throws. We drive it, we layer it and we throw the ball touch. And there are only two coverages man or zone. Now there's a lot of different variations of manners, a lot of variations of the zone, but the more I can boil it down and simplify it, then the easier it is for me to make amazing pieces of information that I've gotten from great coaches, great players, terrible coaches. Yeah, terrible players. And I can take that and figure out what's really gonna work for that player and take it in a way where they can actually digest it. And then the output is exactly what they're looking for. So the way that I've learned to do that is I take the approach of a physician. So I want to give you a diagnosis, but I have to also give you a prescription of what you should take moving forward.

Jordan Palmer (05:54):

So if you're really sick, Erin, and you go to the doctor and he says, you know what? You got the flu, but he doesn't give you a Z-Pak. And I'm not even like a drug guy. I did all-natural and all that, whatever. But like, if you, if he tells you, you have the flu and doesn't give you anything, he, or she gives, it tells you, you have the flu, but they don't give anything to you. It's kind of irrelevant. It's like, great. I got the flu. I'm still screwed. So for me, I want to be able to say, here's a diagnosis of where you're at physically, mentally, and emotionally. And here's the prescription for you physically, mentally, and emotionally. And the value that I have is, you know, I was you know, learn anybody how terrible I was. I was a sixth-round pick.

Jordan Palmer (06:32):

I had one scholarship offer all that stuff. But my older brother, Carson Palmer was the number one pick, a highest recruited kid in the country, won the Heisman and, you know, was the number one pick in the draft. And so for me, I have both vantage points over what it really actually takes, and what I think it actually takes is simplifying the game. Yeah. So for me, working with a lot of these top quarterbacks, whether it's, you know, Blake Bortles of the world Christian Hackenberg, Deshaun Watson this year, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold it really, the key, the secret sauce is simplifying things for them because it's incredibly easy to get overwhelmed. And I think if you're a speed coach or you're a strength and conditioning coach, or you're a position coach of any position simplifying the game is where you can separate yourself from other coaches.

Jordan Palmer (07:16):

Because the reality is, is that all of these sports are complex. Even if you're on an eighth-grade girls club volleyball team, and you're hitting in your coaching outside hitters, that's still a very specific thing where when that girl is playing in the game, there's a lot of things happening on. So how do you just give her one, two or three things to think about that will allow her to kind of set what her goal is for each play each period of time or each game or each season so that she can actually measure where she's at, but also have a prescription of how she's going to get better and whatever your sport is, whatever your position is. I just think it's invaluable.

Aaron King (07:54):

Yeah, no, that's extremely invaluable, valuable, and not, not a lot of, a lot of coaches or even just spectators really understand how to dissect that stuff and prescribe it properly. So what are you guys doing if anyone wants to find out more about just QB summit, you guys, you have camps coming up. Is there something they can look@iskeepingsummit.com? Is it yeah.

Jordan Palmer (08:15):

Be someone.com and keep me seminar on Instagram or Jordan Palmer on Instagram. For me, it's, it's a this is not how I feed my family. This is something I do for fun. I love it. It is a business, but for me, it's really about helping guys take that step. Yeah. And I specifically coach quarterbacks and you know, I have some guys that like started their senior year in high school. Aren't going to sniff college. And I'm like, literally as proud of the development that they had and the potential that they reached as I am about what happened two nights ago, the NFL draft Sam Darnold number three overall of the jets. I'm just telling you, I have some guys that I'm just like that geeked up about it. And any coaches who are watching this, you know what I'm talking about? It's not, it might be the dude sophomore shot, putter who [inaudible] in the event. And it's like, that's everything,

Aaron King (09:04):

It's all about maximizing. You just want to know that, you know, you took it to the max. Yeah. I mean, I, there was a period where I was, I was done, you know, and then I gave it a second shot if I did not give it that second shot, which, you know, I got to a certain point played in the UFL for two years and over concussions. And I didn't know my career was over yet, but I just knew I was in Scottsdale, seeing black spots everywhere. I having a migraine, literally around the clock and went out and snapped one day and could not see straight. And I was like, I'm done. Like, I can't physically do this anymore. I got a call from the Cleveland Browns that week. It was like week 14. And I was, I actually told my agent, I was like, dude, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I came out snap and you know how you're pursuing it. You're given everything you got. But knowing that like, like I'm totally cool with no one, but had I not gotten to that point? I would've been like, what if or like,

Jordan Palmer (10:06):

It really is about reaching their potential. It's not, not everybody's potential is to make it to the pinnacle of the NFL. Right. And we're talking football. So I have a really clearly defined purpose in life. And you and I have been friends for a long time. I don't even know if you know this, but when I got, I had a career where I played for a while, and then I got cut after the lockout. So I was kind of done. And then I broke my ankle and I had two surgeries. And so I was done. And so your point I kept at it and I got another opportunity, but for me, I went on a soul searching mission and I was really, really like overwhelmed by this idea of trying to find my purpose in life. And I was challenged by somebody who's a life coach to say, you know, so to speak.

Jordan Palmer (10:53):

And he had said, if you can't clear that to find your purpose in 25 words or less, then it's not clear to you. And you will always chase things until you conclude that to find what your purpose is. So I can definitively say that my purpose in life has used my experiences on and off the field to help entrepreneurs maximize their opportunities on, off the field. And I only drink quarterbacks that identify themselves as entrepreneurs. And I have some high school kids. They don't have to write, get entrepreneur tattooed on their arm, but if you're in high school, college or pro, and you're really actually treating your football career, your quarterback career as your business, it's not even about money. If this is the thing that's going to allow you to get to the next level, this is going to open up more doors.

Jordan Palmer (11:34):

I can be really helpful. And if it's a rich kid who doesn't want it as bad as his dad wants it, I'd pass on that all day long. I actually happen pretty consistently. And so really the purpose behind it is figuring out how you can maximize your opportunities. I definitely experienced that as a coach and, and I think quarterbacks have done that have our guys who've treated that as a business and said, Hey, look, this is my opportunity to open up more doors. Even if that's just, I'm going to go to Villanova and play football and they barely have a team that's a better opportunity than not. And so for me, it's, I just really try and push guys down that path. And when guys are really open to actually trying to figure out what their potential is and go and reach it, I do have really good tools for those guys.

Jordan Palmer (12:19):

But the ones that aren't I'm really quick to kind of cut bait and say, you know what? This isn't a fit, and maybe I can find somebody else for you because you have to really actually have that inner desire to deal with two things that I think are inevitable. And I think every athlete at some point reaches the inevitability of success and adversity. Those two things are going to strike you and success. Adversity can be, you know, three bad throws in practice. No one was watching, but three bad throws in a row and adversity can be Deshaun Watson tearing his ACL and practice last year. Yeah. Success can be three good throws in a row in practice where you feel good about yourself. Nobody cares. Nobody's will watching. It's just you, you know what you're doing or success can be super cool.

Jordan Palmer (13:05):

Mm. And so your ability to deal with the inevitability of those two things that are always going to strike you is essentially how good you are. So I look at Tom Brady, for example. So, Tom Brady, he interned in the NFL. He sat for a while was six-round pick well-documented. And he got a chance to go in. Bledsoe got hurt, and he won a super bowl. The next year he came back in one, another Superbowl. He handled success really, really, really well. And then I can think of a year, a season years later when you know, Gronk was hurt, surgery's all offseason. Aaron Hernandez killed people. So he was in jail and prison for the rest of his life. And Wes Walker got traded away and they didn't really have a running back and anybody could name and Brady just kind of like barely lost in the AFC championship game, handled adversity really, really well.

Jordan Palmer (13:58):

And I can think of a hundred thousand other examples, but in essence, your ability to deal with success and adversity is essentially how good you are. Now. You may be really good at handling adversity as an athlete or a coach, or you may be really good at handling success, but if you can't hold those two things, intention, the only thing I can guarantee you is you're not going to be that good. So I start my camps off with this is, you know, I tell quarterbacks when you're a quarterback, you sign up for everything. So any young quarterbacks or any coaches that coach quarterbacks seal this line when you're a quarterback, you sign up for everything and you still on the sideline, you were the guy that I stood next to on the sideline after interceptions, because one, you loved me. And two, you kept it real too real sometimes.

Jordan Palmer (14:49):

Yeah. And, but you sign up for all of that. Yeah. You sign up for all of the success and the amazing things that happen. And you sign up for all the bad stuff too. And if you can get really good at handling success in adversity, you're going to be better positioned to handle all the other stuff that's going to come. And, you know, two nights ago. So I landed here Thursday night was the draft first round of draft. I land Wednesday night, I'm training, Sam Darnold and Josh Allen, Josh Allen tweets get released about him when he was 15 years old saying inappropriate things on Twitter, 15-year-old kid, he's from a town of 2,700 people, 95% Hispanic. And he's got some bad tweets that he wrote. He really retweeted. It was like lines from rap songs. And it was blown out of proportion, but it was still serious.

Jordan Palmer (15:41):

And I literally gave him that story. Like, listen, bro, you signed up for all this. If you were a corner, it's probably wouldn't be that big of a deal. You're a quarterback. So it's a ma I mean, when I say the massive deal, I mean like Google it, I don't know it was a massive deal. Yeah. They traded away a lot of people to get to him. And, but you sign up for all of it. You sign up for tweets, people, reading tweets that you wrote when you were 15, you sign up for all of the bad things that come all of the adversity. You sign up for the terrible coach that you hate. You sign up for all the stuff your dad says to you on the way home, you send it for all of it. You also sign up for the good stuff too. And this last season in the NFL, we got saw some people who overcame adversity, Nick Foles homeboy from, from Minnesota scandal

Aaron King (16:35):

Case Keenum, a Texas guy, both of those guys,

Jordan Palmer (16:38):

You sign up for that stuff too. And when, as soon as quarterbacks start to lose their grasp on what they signed up for, they start to get foggy lenses. And they think that everything that's blurry should be seeing clearly. And it's not the coach's fault. It's not the circumstantial fault. It's your fault.

Aaron King (16:58):

Yeah. You've seen so many cases of that, where there are guys that only signed up for the good and I mean, there are very public instances of guys in the past that have just lost their minds on camera. There's some busing, I want to name names, but we could probably think of a few rights off the bat, just big-name quarterbacks that just didn't pan out. And I think that's the crazy thing about Josh's situation is we tell guys all the time. I'm so glad I didn't have social media when I was younger. But we tell guys all the time at these camps, you all say the same. Every coach says it just be careful what you put on social on Twitter, anything this was, this was blown out of proportion, and crazy to see how it went down. Cause I looked at it as I'm just thinking, like if I was 14, 15 years old and I had Twitter or whatever anyway, but that's just something that kids to be really careful about digital media today, because your perception on digital versus who you are as a person in the public eye, when it starts blowing, blowing up, well, let's do this.

Aaron King (17:57):

Let's say that Josh Allen

Jordan Palmer (17:58):

And you know, a lot of people that are using the number one pick, right? Most of the reports leading up to the draft or is it Baker or is it Josh Allen? Now? I cannot definitively say if it had any effect on it, but let's say that Cleveland was a coin flip between Baker Mayfield with a number one pick or Josh Allen with the number one pick, let's say it was a coin flip. Josh ended up going seven. The difference is 6 million. Yeah. That's a lot of money. I don't think that's what happened. Right. But if it was a coin flip, but the difference is 6 million, 6.2 little things, man, when it comes down to splitting hairs, 15 years old, 15 years old. So I, I look at that. The other thing I think is good for people to think about is you know, I really take an approach of the athletes are triple threats, the best athletes.

Jordan Palmer (18:51):

So, you know, for folks who train quarterbacks, this is great, but this is any position, any sport now, any either gender it, whatever it is with, with athletes, I think the best athletes and you can kind of like come up with your own hypothesis over like what the common denominator is between great athletes and good athletes or good athletes and bad athletes, whatever. But I really do think it comes down to your ability to help athletes become a triple threat. So what I mean by triple threat is mentally, physically, and emotionally. And on that, the mental side of it is can you help an athlete get to self-correction? Can you help an athlete get to a point where they actually know how to fix themselves from the mechanic that you're teaching them? Can they fix themselves? Physically, can they, do they know what to put in their body from supplements to nutrition physically?

Jordan Palmer (19:55):

Do they know what type of training is best for them? Do they know if they're inflexible? Do they know if they need more T spine mobility? Do they know if their hamstrings are tight? So I really think any athlete, their ability to understand on the physical side, again, triple threat, three things, do they understand physically how to fix themselves? What to put in their body and how to train their body mentally? Do they understand how to have a process for learning more? So I'm big on note-taking I'm big on saying, all right, if I'm going to be teaching or I'm on the whiteboard, you're going to write down everything. Then you're going to rewrite it and consolidate it. Then you're going to create a learn and a no list. Learn meeting this isn't automatic for me. I'm still learning it. No meaning quiz me anytime I noticed, what's your full name?

Jordan Palmer (20:43):

Aaron Robert King, right? No hesitation. You know exactly what that is. You didn't have to say or you didn't actually speak, switch the Robert and the Aaron and go, well, Whoa. I mean, what, no, it's definitive, you know exactly what it is. So that's a no list. So do I learn, am I learning this, or do I know this? So the first thing on the, on the mental side of it is like, do they actually know how to process information? It's different for each sport. The second is on, on the mental side of it is do they actually know the areas where they actually need to know more deep? I get it. But do you know how far away from you, how far away you are from really understanding what it is that you need to understand? So there's the physical, the mental, and then the last pieces of the emotional.

Jordan Palmer (21:25):

How do you lead? How do you treat people? How do you care about people? How do you handle success in adversity? How do you self generate confidence? Which I think is the most important trait in an athlete. How do you self generate confidence? And I've been in a situation and I will not name names, but I've been in a situation where I realized after enough time with an athlete where I realized that I was the main person who is contributing to their confidence, my opinion of them and where they were was the central source of them generating confidence. It's a danger zone. You have to build to self generate confidence, right? Thomas the train saying, I think I can. I think I can. That came from Thomas, the train, who wasn't from anybody else. Right? And so we can have our kids watch Thomas the train, but he has to be able to, he or she has to be able to self-generate.

Jordan Palmer (22:16):

So the physical, the mental and emotional side, any coach watching this and he trained her, watching this, I would really challenge you. Are you pouring into your athletes on the physical, the mental, and the emotional side, because if physically their money and they understand all of those things that I said, what to put in their body, how to train their body and how to fix themselves, but they don't do one or two of the other two? And I'm just promising you that they're not that good. They're just not going to reach their potential, whatever their potential was supposed to be. They're just not going to reach it.

Aaron King (22:44):

There are different ways to coach guys. There's, there's I forget his name, but this doctor has really broken down psychologically of how to actually train certain personality traits. You know, cause you'll have coaches that he's a player's coach or he's a screamer, or he's intense and that'll work for some guys, but then you're not for everyone. And so it's hard for a coach to say to it, or I should say it's more of a, it's almost like the enlightened coach or someone that's very, very diversified in their approach to the team. So you don't favor guys or act like you're being soft on a guy, but being, treating everyone fairly, not equally. And you see it a lot at the high school level. It's just hard, you know especially when you have kids from different backgrounds, different motivational levels.

Aaron King (23:29):

And that's the big thing is, especially when I work, I work with mostly specialists. We'll get some skill guys and we're just on speed, but really they're just trying to get to the one-on-ones. But when I deal with the specialist guys, it's like golf and we're really trying to break down the technique. And when that technique breaks, or it's not even the technique that breaks down, if they mess up, then it's just like, they forget how to snap. And the confidence is really hard to build up. And each guy has a different, just a different way to coach. Some guys want to be thrown back in the fire and they respond some guys, if you throw them back in the fire, which doesn't get me wrong, if you're trying out the next level, you don't really have an option to get thrown back in the fire. But some of these younger guys that we work with at a camp, as soon as they screw up on the pressure and you throw them back out there, it just gets worse from there. And then you have to kind of rebuild them up. And then in the offseason, find a way to, like you said, I mean, that's probably the most critical element is get guys to that point of self-confidence and that carries over so much into business as well. Being confident to go back to a meeting after

Jordan Palmer (24:31):

I'll tell you what the father of a two-year-old, another on the way it's important in fatherhood to yeah. I mean, nothing prepares you for it. And you got to believe that you're doing things the right way. Yeah,

Aaron King (24:42):

Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's definitely a challenge. You know, we just got a few more minutes. I really like when you touched on the, just the passion or the motivation behind being a QB while we're here, you know, both of us is we're in, we're both entrepreneurs right now, but have had our athletic journey. Then, the hardest thing we see, I see with a lot of guys and I dealt with for a long time, is finding that next passion and just transitioning kind of that drive Sandy. You know, when I was going to the gym going to skill practice or whatever, I know I'm training for that opportunity to play in the NFL in business. It's like, sometimes you're just, you don't even know what to do. One finding a passion. Once you find that passion, it makes it easier. But what are some things when you were going through that purpose journey, like really could be a few pointers of saying, here's what I did to identify what I'm passionate about? It's not just being a quarterback, but being so much more than that. Yeah.

Jordan Palmer (25:53):

I'll be transparent. I mean, I have a two-and-a-half-year-old son in Ford and he's the man, but you know, I have one goal for him. My goal is for him to figure out what he's great at and what he's most passionate about and the faster I can align, those two things, the faster everyone can get out of the way, and then he can go and accomplish what he's, what he was born to accomplish. And I can sit here. I'm a quarterback coach and I'd love quarterbacks, and I would love to play football, but I can honestly tell you, I don't care what it is.

Aaron King (26:25):

Right. And

Jordan Palmer (26:27):

So for me, everything's about PA everything's about the purpose and my purpose is to use my experiences on and off the field to help entrepreneurs maximize their opportunities on and off the field. So for me, I passed on a bunch of opportunities to make a lot of money and do commercial real estate or private investment banking, boutiques, or whatever it is. But my purpose in life is to not make as much money as I possibly can. My purpose is what I just said. And so I think that the faster you can align with your purpose and, and one of the ways that I was able to find that is what my spiritual gifts are. My two spiritual gifts personally are teaching and connecting. And so I try and put myself in a position to teach and connect as much as possible. And when I get outside of that, I'm just not as productive.

Jordan Palmer (27:11):

I'm not as good and I'm not as fulfilled. And you know, the other, the other day at night, you know, two of my guys went drafted and there, you know, they got drafted third overall in the seventh row. It was amazing. It was really cool and they'll look at the cameras and all that stuff. It was really fun, but the reality is like my third guy was trained in Kyle Allen, just signed a free-agent deal with the Carolina Panthers. And I'm pretty jacked because of that opportunity. So it's less pretty jacked, meaning like just as jacked and because I know what Kyle can do when he gets that situation. So for me, it's really about helping guys to understand what their purpose is and to go and give them the tools to fulfill that. And when you start to do that, like thing, decisions become easier, man, you know, distractions look like distractions and money feels like a thing, not money. And it just has been a really clear pathway for me. And it's something I've worked really hard to, to really adopt that, that, that perception on life. And it has not fooled me yet. It hasn't taken me the wrong course yet, and I'm only 33, but I'm going to continue on that path.

Aaron King (28:18):

Awesome. Yeah. I'm with you, man. It takes a long time to really dial in on that. I mean, it takes a long time to figure it out. I didn't know, for a long time with it.

Jordan Palmer (28:27):

And I, I just believe that like, unless I completely bombard you with those thoughts and give you enough time to actually like retain those things. Cause I feel like my three guys over the course of three months actually know exactly what their purpose is in life and I really challenged them.

Aaron King (28:39):

Awesome. Oh, great man. Well, thanks for joining. Thanks. Thanks. Awesome, man. I hope we do more stuff like this in general. I just want to have more thoughtful things and we'll expand the format over time, but this is a good hybrid. We could talk forever. We'll keep it short for today relatively. But yeah, I'll, I'll link all your stuff in the description. So we'll have a lot of that stuff. QB summit definitely got a lot more going on in the quarterbacks, a lot of cool stuff. Anything else you want to shout out or is that good?

Jordan Palmer (29:08):

And it's been fun. I just challenge a challenge. Anybody who's coaching athletes to figure out how you can help them mentally, physically, and emotionally, and also think about confidence. I believe content is the most important trait in an athlete. Also a business person, also a husband, also father conferences are the most important trait. I didn't play with, I didn't really understand what confidence was until my third year in the NFL. And I've never told you that I played through my whole college career without really being confident, what I was doing. I was letting other people's perception of what I was doing, generate my confidence, which is not self-generated. And my third year in the NFL, I figured out how to self-generate confidence and it changed who I was as a player. And so as a coach and as a coach, for sure, I mean, I'm coaching players who are when they're in high school are better than I was let alone the college guys.

Jordan Palmer (29:54):

I train for the draft and those guys like Sam Darnold, I mean, kidding me like he's two years ago, he was better than I ever was. So yeah, it does take confidence. It's not, I don't coach these guys cause I played in the league. There are a million guys who played in the league and most of them can't coach for me, it's, it's really understanding that confidence is the most important trait. And I challenged my athletes to really look at it as a muscle and try and get, put them in a position to develop it. Just like they would a hamstring, just like they would a bicep.

Aaron King (30:19):

Awesome. Yeah. Well, cool. That's it. Awesome. All right. Well, tune in next time. We'll talk more. Thanks, man. All right.